Canadian Family Physician, letter to the editor, Dr. Tony Reid
To: The Canadian Family Physician
Dr Tony Reid, Scientific Editor,
Canadian Family Physician,
2630 Skymark Ave,
Mississauga, ON L4W 5A4
CANADA
by fax (905) 629-0893; or by e-mail
August 4, 2004
Letters to the Editor from a Mother and a Grandmother,
(Editing permitted)
Dear Dr. Reid,
Subject: Mothers and Grandmothers must be heard for a public "Commissioned Inquiry on
Maternity Matters and Sick and Internally
Injured Children."
Re: The Canadian Petition Protect Babies and Mothers, Too: www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/102580814 and the U.S.A. Petition to educate doctors factually, at : www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/954816565
This Url for reference is: www.lotusbirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-692.htm REVISED: WEDNESDAY, August 4, 2004,
12:00 PM
Can you please share the best practice possible least risk of endangering to
the child on the latest trend on management of the fetus/neonate's
umbilical cord--the quality of life--line.
Have you delivered any babies? If so, how were you trained? Do you
know what is the current training in the Training hospitals today? Or, even just in
your area to do a comparison of the changes of the times. And, who sets the standard of care? And who now investigates if current trends are not
respectful or safe for "all" babies to be born with the right of equal chance to be blue ribbon
babies? Is there a responsible headship or leader?
I have found none accountable for training of the doctors to understand the
Charter of Rights and Freedoms, or to know the Nation's laws on crimes
against the person, or knowing about the right to the individual or the legal guardian of a minor to
have choice of informed consent. This is including the
right,
of the medical consumer,
to refuse care and treatment. And, who today knows about the duty to do no harm which
means a benefit to the person
a medical procedure is prescribed or imposed on?
If there was a medical debate or disagreement on the timing of the clamping
of the umbilical cord, what is the protocol on informed choice to the real
legal guardians of the child, the parents?
And what if they say, as was the custom of the pioneers, prior to the 1920's,
they want
no clamping of the umbilical cord,
at all?
This is natural primal birth traditions, or natural birth education, which is
now called a nicer name,
Lotus Birth.
The right of common traditions of any
race or color were the beliefs of those who had unassisted births. This wise custom of
do no harm
was the type of births my two parents had. My mother
was the first of ten and my father was an only child. Both were born in Canada.They both are alive at
ages 91 and 90. Pretty nice to have both alive today,
eh, born 1913 and 1914.
A RETURN TO THE TRADITIONAL NATURAL BIRTHS IS RECOMMENDED:
While I thought their method of birth, gross, of my grandmothers' wise ways,
when I heard of their mother's care, it was very wise indeed, and it gave
my parents longevity.
My parents, by no tying off their umbilical cord, or cutting of their cords,
had all their immunities and full blood volume and pressure. They had no
holes in the heart and did not start life with low blood volume and pressure, which what the babies,
today, have, and who are anemic and have a very
weakened immune system. Why? Early umbilical cord clamping, which is not being patient with
the child, at birth, and all they need is an allowance of
20 minutes. The doctor does not need to hang around, generally, for an unassisted birth, that must be
allowed to happen in a rented hospital room. What
is needed is availability of help. To be handy or someone is handy, if complications should arise.
SAFETY OF NATURAL BIRTH EXPERIENCES:
The known facts are that 93 to 95 percent of all natural births are without complications, it is not a needed baby business, in most instance. The death of babies and mothers, 12 in 100 child births, prior to 1865, was due to The Contagiousness of Puerperal Fever, 1843, Oliver Wendell Holmes (1809-1894).
The actual prevention was practiced by Dr. Ignaz Phillip Semmelweis (1818-1865). Semmelweis published his prevention techniques in "The Etiology, Concept and Prophylaxis (1860). Semmelweis had encouraged the doctors, of his time, the need to put on clean clothing and wash their hands instead of going from treating the dead, to treating the living, the birthing mother.
Semmelweis was proven right with the first antiseptic operation encouraged by Joseph Lister, was performed in 1865, the year when Semmelweis died. Semmelwies had been severely ridiculed and had his health broken by his own colleagues who would not accept change of their ways, and were then, as they are now, evidently today, were ignorant, blind, and rejected visual evidence of no harm done by being clean and the midwives, too. We can say of the visual evidence of the probable harm of interrupting the baby's circulation system, and sneaking away, without informed consent many tubes of blood or bags of blood, on the average taking 180 ml per child early cord clamped, some less, and some even more. The rising cost of revival of babies, never investigated or questioned or the deaths of babies, either. Why not?
Our seniors, born as blue ribbon babies, took the stresses of their time pretty
good, eh. But today, if you want to know the increase of autism, just go
back to the timing of the clamping of the cord, and all these babies will have one thing in common,
early clamping of their pulsating cord. The 1979
Edition of the World Book indicates true autism was only 1 in 30,000. Today, times have changed
and children, victimized, are 1 in 150. One in four
persons have heart problems (Inquiry Into Life, 9th Edition, Sylvia S. Mader). Can
we say this is bad life styles of the parents, or an epidemic of bad
genes? I think not.
My theory is that these sicknesses are being
iatrogenically
caused by the Active Management practices of today. For example, over 500,000
babies die of a cut cord, by infections, according to the World Health Organization, of those, two died
in 1998 of Methicillin-Resistant Staphyloccus
Aureus, in the Vancouver Children's Hospital, and two more were infected and 38 at risk in
September 29, 2002 (The Province, Sunday, September
29, 2002 page 1 and A3).
The babies, today, by Active Management, being the required first choice
of institutional births, the babies are ritually birthed with drugs (morphine,
Demerol and/or oxytocin, and combined with many oxytocic type of drugs, gels or creams). This is ritually
followed now with immediate cord clamping,
associated with the risks of the oxytocin drug, requiring ICC to prevent brain cell damages. The use
of oxytocic drugs is directed to be followed by
immediate cord clamping by the directives of the World Health Organization, but they failed to warn
the Nations to so advise and educate the birthing
women of now raising anemic babies by low blood volume and pressure. Why is that?
DECLINING MENTAL ABILITIES:
How long have we known about the youth mental abilities declining? Well, since
the 1960's. In the Chapter, Time Bomb, in the book written by an
educator, Joseph Chilton Pearce, The Magical Child, the medical research of the 1960's,
was drugs and early cord clamping caused children to have
brain lesions and reduced mental abilities. This was observable in other mammals, also experimented
on.
In 1997, Doris Haire made a presentation to the Conference, Birth Without
Borders, stating the same conclusions, America's children's intelligence
declining and for the same reasons, drugs and early umbilical cord clamping.
www.lotusbirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-499.htm
In a weakened condition, many, of these children with low blood volume
and anemic were repeatedly injected with "stuff" and we do not know all what
was in the injection, even mercury (Thimersol) a heavy metal was one trace element. But there
are other ingredients and other preservatives used that
are not often shared to the public at large.
METHODS AND WAYS OF THE PIONEERS PRIOR TO THE 1920'S:
What did the pioneer mother's do... on the rural farms, far from assistance
and help? The women simply birthed in the warmest and cleanest room
possible and put the baby in the warmest cleanest towel possible, and they wisely did not tie off the
umbilical cord, nor cut it. What they did was keep
the umbilical cord loose and flexible. The rule was hands off the cord. And, when the placenta
was born, it was treated with respect and the pioneers did
not faint to see it or handle it. The mother and the father or friend simply placed the placenta
in a warm towel or diaper and left it with the baby. The
placenta and cord were off in a day or two's time, for a healing of a perfect navel. They put the placenta,
after it fell off, naturally, no drugs used, in an
incinerator, or put it in the outhouse with lime on it, or they buried it with lime under a special
shrub or tree, with or without a prayer of Thanksgiving.
(See more information at Dr. Sarah Buckley's Declaration:
www.lotusbirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-314.htm Also search for her poem, Ode to My Placenta, available, too at the Table of Contents at, www.lotusbirth.com
BENEFITS OF THE CHILD FOR PRIMAL BIRTH TRADITIONS OF THE CARE OF THE UMBILICAL CORD:
The benefits to the child was that baby had no navel hernias because there was
no heavy tie or clamp on the cord. The baby had no blood infections,
no infected cord stump that if they cut the cord would take from 5 to 15 days to heal. Again, the baby's
untied cord, yet with the placenta, dried and was
off in a day or two's time period. The baby got the benefit of their own property/blood and nutrients
of the blood and not science research, or drug
companies, or cosmetic corporations. (See references of biology textbooks and reference books of science
to that fact,
www.lotsubirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-110.htm
Today, the habit, ritual, trend, custom is to take the baby's blood and without
true informed consent, and it is used pragmatically for cloning stem cells
and interferon. All this is Federally and Provincially funded by over $400 million dollars. That
is what happens when doctors are unethical and/or not
competently trained today. They knowingly or unknowingly, are agents for the harvesting the baby and
many are exploiting the child for raw
materials, and yet these babies live, or most of them, weakened, but they live. They are violated
and battered babies, yet, they live. Is that a justifiable
excuse to exploit the neonate or breach the parent's trust?
HOW MUCH BLOOD DOES A BABY MAKE DURING GESTATION?:
Did you know that the 9-pound baby only creates 10 ounces of blood (300 ml). (1979 World Book Vol. B, (Blood) p 324). And early umbilical
clamping according to the Policy #71, December 1998, The Society of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
of Canada (SOGC) states that the baby can be
deprived from 20 to 50 percent total blood volume. And did you know the deprivation of the baby's
blood of merely 20 percent can put the baby into
shock, and it may die? (Read the Ontario Chow case-law-precedent)
And did you know the reason of early clamping, about 30-second clamping, was
recommended by SOGC to cut down the third stage of labor. Then,
did you know that in May 2000, SOGC policy, for all of Canada's doctors to follow, directed all babies
be immediately cord clamped, routinely. SOGC's
reason now was to do a pH cord blood reading, when they could do that by inserting (at the risk of infection)
a very fine needle without interrupting the
flow of oxygenated blood. Or, they might do a urine pH test, but that kind of pH testing on an infant,
is not so convenient and may not be a plasma
specific test of artery blood, in comparison to vein blood, too. Many tests can be done by urine
or blood samples, even the testing of oxygen content of
muscle cells, can be done.
Did you read how babies with their circulation system interrupted cut off or
by mid-forceps have lived. They have lived revived babies, they are blind,
deaf, dumb, and paralyzed. There are two Canadian examples of such living babies who are one in
16 babies now revived in Canada. But these two
exceptional babies, a crime of times, are the Chow and Ing-case-laws, Ontario Canada. Their compensation
suits were handled by Sommers and Roth.
While the award moneys for these cases, combined, were over $22 million dollars
for the interruption of their circulation system, no improvements in
the respect of babies has resulted. Every new medical persons, including the ambulance medics
and the 9-1-1 counselors should study their case-laws
and learn not what to do, that may injure any child.
Sadly, the fetus/neonate are still being harvested for the value of the interferon
and stem cells, selling on the market by the cord blood banks, for up to
or more $30,000 an ounce, or that is what Sydney Australia was paying, before they began harvesting
their own babies for raw materials of stem cells
and interferon. It is worth the risk? What with over $15,000 to revive a baby, likely in Canada, And,
in the States, revived babies cost, as one mother with
a damaged child, stated, $70,000 and some of these children are never expected to live an independent
life. In fact, many are having to be put into
institutions for the rest of their lives, at about age 13.
These revived babies, preventable birth injuries, adds to the hospital
budget, and an additional windfall of likely $60,000 for ounces of stem cells and
interferon and other nutrients. With grant monies for research, what medical doctor will want to have
ethics to care about the well-being of the child? And
what politician will protect the baby when they can make windfalls on the stock market for private corporations
in the human transplant business? No
elected or appointed official has protected the child or protested harvesting of the newborn citizen,
the neonate. Why not? This is all done locally, this
early clamping of babies, in our own communities and it was permitted by our trusted hospital boards,
and the trusted ethics committees. And they and
the Provincial, State, and Territory governments, and the local city governments were allowing, without
informed consent or protection to the child, the
taking of the baby's blood for experiments of the day.
Who was on their Hospital Boards who did not understand the spirit of the Nation's Laws, or the Constitution, do no harm, or risk of it? I say that one drop of blood, wrongfully denied the owner/infant, is battery. This is yet to be examined by a Court Challenge, if the medical persons do not quickly change their ways and to the child, not to exploit the child's harvested blood and consider it frivolous that babies earning no income can be weakened or endangered, as most live. Living from battery, that means no crime imposed?
SOCIETY EXPLOITING THE WEAKER WITHIN IT:
Has our society arrived to simply exploit the vulnerable, the infant, as a by-product,
and if you revive the child, the parents are thrilled to take home just
a living baby, eh, but they have not the blue ribbon baby, God designed the child to
be before active managed births.
If we ignore the Charter of Rights and Freedoms by age and mental and physical
disadvantages, who is next on our list to be harvested in any medical
institution, private or public?
The system pays the midwives and the doctors a collection fee of $150 to $250
depending on the quality and quantity of the blood, unless they can do
the actual retailing of the finished extracted product, stem cells, or interferon, for the higher fees. The nurses and doctors are just the agents for the stem
cell blood banks.
I hardly think the child, weakened, sometimes they die, appreciates being harvested. The child has not had the duty of care of equal enforcement of
the law, Do No Harm. Nor have there been the proper police investigation of crimes against the person,
or the policies that direct the endangering
investigated under Common Nuisance. Nor the profits investigated by doing the audit of the revenues
obtained by harvesting the babies, today.
BREACH OF FIDUCIARY TRUST:
I think it most unethical training and practice and sadly most of the public
at large and the parents-to-be simply do not know what is going on. Even
the American Professional Pediatrician said unconsented to harvesting of babies was unethical. What
parent would really consent to endanger their child
to be a victim of autism, who look apparently normal. When you cannot trust your doctor, to do
no harm, then who can you trust today?
Did you know what was going on and the policy statement that allowed no informed
consent, to take the baby's organ and placenta blood without
informed consent or right to refuse that kind of care and treatment to "their" child? The
policy directing the ethics of care in most hospitals, today, was
apparently set in August 1998, by the Tri-Council Policy Statement, Ethical Conduct for Research
Involving Humans, C. Previously Collected Tissue
Article 10.3 (b)
". . . there is no need to seek donor's permission to use their tissue
for research purposes, unless applicable law so requires."
What law might the medical persons be ignoring? How about informed choice
the individual in control of what is or not done to their person? How
about the parents who are the true legal guardians of the child, and should or ought to state what is
or is not done by informed choices and right to
decline unnecessary interruption of their infant's circulation system and in the child's best interest
for a healthier and happier life?
DO NO HARM:
What happened to the medical law, the first law, Do No Harm? Is just a
weakened "living" baby regarded as no harm done as the Chow and Ing-case-law? While
they lived, I'm sure they rather would have had full blood transferred from their placenta-blood-lung-bag
into their expanding lungs, as nature
designed this to happen. For them to have been normal all it required was patience of care of protecting
the umbilical cord for about 20 minutes more or
less and to leave the cord alone.
Was that too much to ask for in the doctor's daily busy schedule or the nurse's
time too? If no interruption of the Chow and Ing baby's cords had
happened they would be normal and able to take over their parent's private business. I am sure
the two boys would trade their award monies for a normal
life and not a life that is passing them by.
The denial of a quality life is happening to thousands of babies, not only in
Canada, but in other Nations, too, where babies are being harvested and
exploited for raw materials, which are their blood properties. This is for political reason. This
is for profits. Shame on us. If we can't look after babies and
protect them, they can't protect us in our old age, when we are vulnerable and must trust.
How do you feel about the trends and the arrival of medical imposed and chosen
survival of the fittest. This is robbing millions of babies of their
nutrients of blood, hormones, enzymes? No wonder when the babies are missing those particular
and essential blood suspensions
(hormones/enzymes/proteins) they grow up to not know what sex they are and we have the need for the
gay marriages ; and the increase of health care
costs for children under one year of age, equal to the costs of Seniors. These two groups take
the highest of the medical budget. To quote:
"An analysis of provincial/territorial government health expenditure by age
group, featured in the report, shows that health care spending is
significantly higher for people at the two extremes of the age spectrum.
More than $6,000 per capita is spent on infants (less than 1 year of age)
and over $17,000 per person, for people 85 and over. In total, seniors-those
over age 65-make up 12.6% of the population, but account for nearly 50% of
hospital costs.
http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp?cw_page=media_17dec2003_e
The decline in a child's mental ability is in all areas of the population, including
those children of parents who had a college education, to quote:
Report on Learning Disabilities Research
Dr. Reid Lyon, Acting Chief of the Child Development and Behavior Branch, National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD) National Institutes of Health (NIH):
"Moreover, 32 percent of the fourth grade children across the Nation who were reading below the basic levels were from homes where the parents had graduated from college. These data underscore the fact that reading failure is a serious national problem and can not simply be attributed to poverty, immigration, or the learning of English as a second language.. . . approximately 75 percent of these children will continue to have difficulties learning to read throughout high school and their adult years. To be clear, while older children and adults can be taught to read, the time and expense of doing so is enormous compared to what is required to teach them when they are five or six years old."
Infancy learning was recommended, and if these children are starting out as stroke victims, from birth, I encourage that too, and have put up ideas on infancy reading, but these are shared from NIH
"A massive effort needs to be undertaken to inform parents, and the educational and medical communities of the need to involve children in reading from the first days of life; to engage children in playing with language through nursery rhymes, storybooks, and writing activities; and, as early as possible, to bring to children experiences that help them understand the purposes of reading, and the wonder and joy that can be derived from it. Parents must become intimately aware of the importance of vocabulary development and the use of verbal interactions with their youngsters to enhance grammar, syntax, and verbal reasoning."
MEDICATED/DRUG/BIRTH INJURY CAUSES LOSS TO ALL IN SOCIETY:
It is simply not fair to the taxpayers for preventable health and education costs. It is not fair to deny any child their potential genius abilities. And, I say not "one" drop of blood ought to be deprived the child. We cannot stop old age, but we can prevent internal injuries to babies by returning to ethical and competent training of doctors. I hope you agree.
My reference of studies with comments are available at:
www.lotusbirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-110.htm
There is a table of contents at the home
page,
www.lotusbirth.com
If the concerns of a mother and grandmother are not heeded, then there is a
medical web site really trying to educate doctors to do no harm, at
www.cordclamping.com
We must ask, how did this harvesting of babies come to be? What of the
duty to protect the public as to the first duty of all medical societies,
colleges, associations and publishers of medical journals? Are these medical groups, organized,
first to protect, equally well, the public, accessible,
approachable and negotiable as to protocols, policies, and bulletins, that should have always included
informed consent? Informed consent is information
given in suitable time to make an informed decision and to inform of all the known risks, even deaths. This information must be shared long before a
procedure is suggested be done. In other words, no surprise elements that informed choices cannot
be truly made and without pressure and to know the
facts of all tests and have an objective, and unbiased person assist on any decision(s) being
made.
THE PURPOSE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS OF MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS -- PROTECT THE PUBLIC AND THAT IS ANY
ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, AT LARGE:
What of the contract to do the protection and duty to the public, by the duty of the College of Physicians and Surgeons across Canada? Was it not their duty to qualify the doctors on best practice possible and would not the least risk of harm be to leave the cord alone. Or, to wait for the cord, without hand-squeezing or clamping, to naturally ceased to pulsate, nor to cause the child to have hypothermia and their circulation stop, by birthing in a cold room, and not immediately wrapping the child in a warm clean towel. For here is an example of knowing the proper purpose of the placenta long ago and science facts do not change. Such facts are visual, in the past, and visual today. To quote wisdom:
"In the event the mother and the child are both in good condition
(????), it is best to wait ten or twelve minutes before tying the cord, so as to give the
child the advantage of the extra blood it will secure from the afterbirth."
The Home Physician and Guide to Health, Revised Edition, page, 648 -649,
Volume II, Canadian Watchman Press, Oshawa, Ontario.
The editors, as to knowledge of a Supreme Guidance Counselor did, apparently,
have a spiritual influence, for one of the Editorial Staff was Newton
Evans, B.S., M.D., F.A.C.P. Dean and Professor of Pathology, College of Medical Evangelists,
Los Angeles, California. I am assuming an Evangelists
did, at one time, believe in God the Almighty and that medical persons were not so bold in their own
confidence in training not to call upon the Gods for
guidance and protection of the care of others, so that all medical care was done with no needless or
unnecessary care given or risk taken not necessary
nor seen as a benefit of the person(s) served.
I have this textbook in my possession as a collector's item. I believe
the publication date was about 1920 to 1940 but I don't have Vol I, to confirm
that. I do make a comment on the belief the placenta blood is "extra" blood. The facts have
been observed, repeatable by observation today, that if you
leave the umbilical cord alone, for natural transfer of the placenta blood into the baby's expanding
lungs, hardly a drop of blood can be squeezed from the
placenta, then born, as a flat cake, the Greek word meaning placenta (flat cake).
If the cord is clamped off, the placenta is engorged with the deprived blood
needed for the child's expanding lungs. The lungs are damaged, and all cell
reserves, of about 20 percent, some more, some less, must give up that reserve if the child is to live
at all, or requires external revival of what was denied
the child, his/her own oxygenated blood. The revival of Canadian babies by early cord clamping (30-seconds)
is one in 16, today, at the last review on the
timing of the clamping of the umbilical cord, and the need of blood given later, for children continued
to be blood-sampled, taking 10 to 15 percent total
blood volume, of an already comprised and impaired child. Mostly those are the premature babies, and
if they die, insufficient investigations is done on
their birth process, or care, thereafter.
ETHICS ARE A WRAP ON THE HAND, NO CRIMINAL CHARGES TAKEN FOR BATTERY BECAUSE OF ALIBI-PROTOCOL OF
POLICIES:
How ethics have changed, eh, and practices and training. Now we harvest the babies and hope for the survival of the fittest of the babies. Those that die of shock, well, we harvest all of their tissues, and no one is the wiser, in most instances. In God we must trust, for we can't trust our medical persons today, not even the nurses or the midwives. Why? They organized in the First-Ever-Joint Statement of the International Federation of Gynaecologists and Obstetricians and the International Confederation of Midwives. (Press release, November 7, 2003, USAID No. 2003-093, USAID Launches Initiative to Decrease Deaths During Childbirth).
A similar recommendation of oxytocic drugs used and early cord clamping was
promoted in this publication, advocating Active Management be the
first choice of method of care in all institutional births. Challenge to Active versus
Expectant Management in the Third Stage of Labor." My
concerns are regarding a study review by Prendiville WJ, Elbourne D, McDonald
S. The challenge is to
The Cochrane Library 2004, Issue 3.
John Wiley & Sons Ltd 2004
http://www.cochrane.org/cochrane/revabstr/AB000007.htm
The most disturbing revelation of the Active Management report was that little difference was evident between "expectant" management which was usually thought of as natural undrugged births, were all oxytocic drugs and the only difference was expectant had one drug, where as Active Management often combined two or more drugs for controlling the speed of the child's delivery. And more serious offense of the randomized trials was that 3 of the 5 reports did not have the results of the infant's Apgar Scores, revealing the condition of the child after the mother received drugs and the child was early cord clamped, generally about 30-second clamping, or less.
In the statement by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID)
they had joined the American College of Nurse-Midwives, Johns Hopkins
affiliate JHPIEGO, IntraHealth International, Inc., and Management Sciences for Health
on this initiative. All medical groups, even the 9-1-1 counsellors
and medic, are now trained or have, apparently, adopted Active Management policies as first choice for
all births, in the home, emergency, or institutional
births.
None directed any informed choice or right to decline drugs, even for "fear of bleeding" being the choice of the mother's. All groups are directing the use of all oxytocic drugs, and in the Province of Ontario, for example, the midwives must carry oxygen and oxytocin as standard equipment. Oxytocin, most of the public is not aware is an abortion drug. Oxytocic drugs are being exclusively being used for the management of the " fear of bleeding " to be used as an imposed standard of care. This drugging is then followed with immediate cord clamping and that is a direction of the the World Health Organization (W.H.O.)
There
is
no medical prevention of anemic mothers. The treatment is an after-fact to all women, living on
Planet Earth. The women are being imposed,
not with informed consent of rejection of both forms of intended care. The women are not being told
of the dangers of any oxytocic drugs or its chemicals,
and how the oxytocic drugs can impair the contraction of the heart, and that one of the preservatives,
at least used in Canada, Chlorobutanol, is written
up as a threat to the thyroid. This is assumed these threats are to both mother and child. Generally,
oxytocic drugs are injected "full strength" when the
child's head is born (fear of bleeding to the mother, I presume), and the active management on early
clamping on the pulsating umbilical cord begins, the
child is being pulled on, often with tools, like forceps and/or a vacuum; the mother's stomach is pressed
on and the now cut cord is pulled on. As to any
adjectives such as gently pulled on, remains to be seen as to the consequence, sometimes written up
as a inverted womb, or infections of some kind. In
some situations the medical person puts their hand into the womb to manually removed the placenta. We
can see is a possibility of sterility by infections
even removing the womb itself, and this can be done if the now caused bleeding of heaving contracting
and restricting blood vessels occurs.
The active management mentioned in my research have suggested nothing that is
preventative of anemic conditions and have now caused children to
be anemic by the direction of clamping off the pulsating cord. Many persons think it is the timing of
the "amputation of the cord" that causes the child to
be anemic. What is the first cause is the tiny-teeth in the gripping clamp that shuts down the
circulation system in two arteries and in one vein, of the
normal placenta umbilical cord.
The anemic child may be given oxygen or blood expanders, or whole blood, all
with dangers of their own, and requiring specific training in the
administration of either and there can be no assurance of any impurities now in active management, compared
to cleanliness and the allowance of natural
birth education and practice, not the first choice of any now trained medical persons dealing with any
of the child's birth and delivery.
I am amazed of the good wholesome and honest studies that have been done revealing
of the truth that we can see in natural birth process. And that
nurses have known or could or ought to know by the visual evidence of active management and the knowledge
of the volume of blood in a persons' body
by size.
The following are such research should be allowed to be presented to the requested
Official Commissioned Inquiry on Maternity Matters, Right to
Informed choices, right to refuse endangering drugs and practice of Active Management, and the duty
to protect the child that the child is not exploited
and harvested by any adult, including the natural parents of the child. These are qualified studies
as they can be repeated and proven true today. Please
take note of the official documented time how long a compromised child's umbilical cord may continue
to pulsate, it is not 3-seconds, it is 20 minutes, so
we must request an investigation of any teaching or practice of it, instant clamping and/or any clamping
(30-second clamping) on a yet pulsating
umbilical cord, or will be, if the child is revived on their own circulation system in tact, the placenta,
the placenta cord, attached to the child's navel. To
quote
- Gunther M. M.A., M.D. Camb. Obstetric Hospital, University College Hospital, London, The transfer of blood between the baby and the placenta in the minutes after birth. Lancet 1957; I:1277-1280. (20-minuted pulsation observed and documented).
Link to Gunther's report : http://www.123-baby-birth.com/doc/Nov123%20baby%20birth-341.htm
- Neonatal Resuscitation: The NRP guidelines , Elliott Robert D,.MD, FRCPC, Department of Anaesthesia, Ottawa Hospital - General Site, University of Ottawa, Ottawa. ( One in sixteen babies will require resuscitation* of some kind in the delivery room).
Web Site: http://www.anesthesia.org/winterlude/w195/w195_7.htm
- Rebbeck Patricia M., M.B., ChB., FRCSC, College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia, Canada, who was the Deputy Registrar, a letter in reply to D. Young as to letter dated March 15, 1999, Rebbeck's reply is dated: April 6, 1999 To quote:
"Your theories regarding learning difficulties are interesting. However, you have been misinformed about the practise of obstetrics. A child's umbilical cord is not cut and clamped until it has stopped pulsating ."
- Note: Patricia Rebbeck's letter was a response regarding one of my original beginnings on my own Inquiry Into Life and my personal concerns and theories that early clamping caused internal damages and brain damage to any child drugged and early clamped and amputated from their placenta cord, all done without true informed consent.
- MAR, Gary, Q.C. Minister of Health and Wellness, Reply to Jan 12, 2001 letter regarding policies and practices in Alberta, per se, the Edmonton's Royal Alexandra Hospital practices. No parental consent to drain the blood from the placenta and use it however they wished, approved by the Alberta College of Physicians and Surgeons, aware of that going on.
- Mar, Gary Q.C. Minister of Health letter to him, from D. Young January 12, 2001, 7:46 pm., alleged criminal assault taking place on neonates, reference to case file No. 00-227, Kamloops.
- Medical practices
The World Health Organization was an inspiration to the, Dupont Corporation, developing a clamping and cutting tool. Those involved, have failed to my knowledge to warn about up to 60 percent total blood volume deprived the child, causing an anemic condition, that can produce either shock or death to the child, or a child requiring expert revival skills, to live without serious impairments. http://www.umbicut.com/supporting_data.html
http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publications/MSM_98_4/MSM_98_4_chapter3.en.html
The "World Health Organization (WHO) states that early or relatively early clamping of the umbilical cord is mandatory after the administration of Oxytocin. With Umbicut ... Information from: MP1-577 Tyvek Rx 10.3.qxd
http://www.tyvek.com/na/medicalpack/english/pdf/rx_jan2002.pdf
- "In the United States and the European Community, mothers routinely receive Oxytocin to shrink the uterus during delivery. If this drug isn't prevented from reaching the newborn through the umbilical cord, the baby's brain development can be adversely affected.
- Consequently, the World Health Organization (WHO) states that early or relatively early clamping of the umbilical cord is mandatory after the administration of Oxytocin.
The Nursing Profession had studies of their own published in reliable well known medical publishers to quote:
- Manual of Nursing Practice , 3rd Edition, The publisher, J. B. Lippincott, Company, Philadelphia & Toronto.1978-1982, stated empirical facts of science, observable if the placenta is drained after immediate cord clamping, that in the circulation changes of the fetus circulation to adult, these facts, to quote . . .
"Placental transfusion at birth --increase in blood volume of 60% if cord is clamped and cut "after" pulsation ceases."
LAY PERSON'S PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF HER OWN CHILDREN'S HOME BIRTH, WHERE THE CORD WAS NOT CLAMPED Misguidance of information in the Federal and Provincial supported Education Facilities:
Vivian Hodgkinson's, Letter, August 2, 2001 Facts of pulsation of cord from 15- 20 minutes . To quote:
"EP born 08/15/00 -9 pounds 14 ounces 22 and 3/4 inches long at home with guidance of Midwife, delayed cord clamping, between 15-20 minutes for cord to stop pulsing and be cut. Labor and birth very normal, with shoulder dystocia. Midwife intervened and broke EP's clavical. Labor and birth were about 7 or so hours long, plus four weeks of prelabor symptoms. I was 40 weeks and 2 days." Permission to use and in Court if and as is necessary.
(Note, this was the same experience and observation in the study of Dr. Mavis Gunther, 1957, UK, regarding a compromised child. In this case the situation was a "shoulder dystocia". It mandated in common sense the child be left on the umbilical cord, unclamped, for a longer period of time. In the studies of Dr. Mavis Gunther, she documented drugged babies required 20 minutes for them to catch up in the transfusing of the blood from the placenta into the child's expanding lungs. More time and rights of any child is to remain on the umbilical cord and untied, unclamped, and not hand-squeezed (there are other methods of demonstration or put the method on a film using animal studies not citizens). The rights of this information is to advise the parents that to clamp and amputate the cord with the proper tools, at their own convenience, if done at all, is their choice. Medical persons are interfering with the quality of life, even life itself, when they stop the child's circulation system.
The harvesting of neonate, early umbilical clamped, was known in science medical reference textbooks, purchased by public schools and public libraries, and some use by Continuing Education in the training of current medical persons, from practical nurses, ambulance medics to the surgeon, to quote the most current publication, that suggests the harvesting of the value of the placenta and placenta contents, blood:
- " Principles of Anatomy and Physiology" , Tenth Edition, 2003, Gerard J. Tortora, Bergen Community college and Sandra Reynolds Grabowski, Purdue University, publisher, John Wiley & Sons, Inc. WIE ISBN 0=471-22472-3, on page 1076, states, too the use of the placenta for drug research and use, to quote:
- " Pharmaceutical companies use human placentas as a source of hormone, drugs, and blood: portions of placentas are also used for burn coverage. The placental and umbilical cord veins can also be used in blood vessel grafts, and cord blood can be frozen to provide a future source of pluripotent stem cells, for example, to repopulate red bone marrow following radiotherapy for cancer."
- On page 754, Figure 21.31 gives a fetal circulation change and the difference between the neonate adult circulation. The information provided, however, fails to relate that the placenta has up to 60 percent total blood volume to be transfused into the child's expanding lungs, needed to do the gas exchange the placenta formally did. It fails to mention in that area of circulation topic to mention the nutrients being a benefit and right to the owner/infant. It fails to point out to the students clamping and amputation of the cord is merely cosmetic (much like the circumcision operation). And if that amputation takes place by any custom or ritual may lead to the impairment to the child, or even the death of an otherwise blue ribbon baby. A compromised child is for life of the child. I did not find where this textbook advocated on the protection to the neonate/citizen and any risks of the endangering of interruption of the circulation system, and possible death by shock now caused by low blood volume and pressure. Why not?
LEGAL CASE-LAW REFERENCES:
Qualified and competent legal counsellors defending impaired and compromised children, have used these medical textbooks in obtaining compensation to the child who had their circulation system interrupted, and most unfairly to any child this may be done to:
- R.D. Miller, ed., Anesthesia, 2nd ed. (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1986 ). " early cord clamping could result in a depressed neonate. (Reference used in Reasons for Judgement, compromised child immediate cord clamped, "Chow-case-law, Ontario, Canada, Sommers and Roth law firm.
- D. Nathan and F. Oski, eds., Hematology of Infancy and Childhood, 3rd ed. (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Co., 1987), Dr. Oski states at page 30:
" In general an acute loss of 20 percent of the blood volume is sufficient to produce signs of shock and will be reflected in a fall in hemoglobin levels within three hours of the event. "
- Ruling Case-Law ( Chow ) O.J. No. 279 DRS 99-03087 Court File No. 92-CQ-017535, Ontario Court of Justice (General Division) web site: http://www.sommersandroth.com/case-law-chow.htm and Ruling Case-Law ( ING ) web site: http://www.sommersandroth.com/case-law-ing.htm
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My personal review of the above, is obvious there are today, repeatable science of the medical knowledge,
past but current to observable evidence to
leave the umbilical cord as is, untouched by invasive methods of care directed by "active management"
. Active Management can be controlled to biases
of the author, or whom they work for or are being paid, and they may not have the whole picture of standard
directed, universally, and how children can be
exploited and harvested for their blood that the duty is to allow the owner/infant to have.
Motives can be presented in any hearing, and I do request an Official Commissioned Inquiry on these
Maternity Matters and the timing of the clamping of
the umbilical cord, drugging of the child, and the mother, and other matters of position of birth, or
attitudes to child-bearing women today and their need to
factual information for informed decisions in the best care of both the mother and the child. No
mother wants to knowingly raise an impaired child that
could have been normal and healthy had not the lifeline, the circulation system been meddled with.
For whatever motives or concealment are involved, which harvest the child after the fact of early cord
clamping was imposed, children are not enriched or
caused to be improved of their condition. In fact, even with revival, if quickly done, we will
still have an internal impaired and compromised child to the
degree that oxygen and blood was deprived any "one" cell. Each cell, yes, being a universe
to itself, has some reserve of oxygen and blood. But the
cells nutrients and oxygen can be soon used up. And, the brain and the central nervous system do not
replace their cells, as do the other organs, and/or
the blood cell.
The revival and well-being of the child all depends on the child's former conditions,
in the womb, during birth. Factors can be the volume of the
amniotic fluid and pressure on the umbilical cord blood vessels during birth, and the position of the
child during birth. There are also other factors of
medicated drugs offered and accepted by the mother (often without true informed consent). No drug or
gas is safe for all cross the placenta and there are
always the chance of allergic reactions, that one cannot guess will not happen to either the mother
or the child. The worst cases situations even of one
death must be shared for true informed decisions to be made by the mother.
It is much wiser to stick with the primal birth traditions with cleanliness the objective and natural
birth and care being allowed, even in rented hospitals
rooms, by a signed birth contract, who all may be involved in the mother's care and/or her fetus/neonate's
care. The duty is full and factual medical
records kept for the child's own best interest of what was permitted or allowed or imposed on the child's
care and treatment, in the womb, and after birth.
These are essential duty to the fetus/neonate, of the wanted child, and to assure "all" children
equal protection as is provided in most Nation's laws, and
Constitutions, and Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and to International Laws of guidance and duty to
adults to one another, and those who cannot
advocate for themselves.
The ideal method of physiological care, do no harm, is leave the cord alone. The ceremony
of cosmetic clamping and amputation after the child has
consumed the placenta blood to his/her own individual needs, may then be done with no necessary skills,
if the parents are provided with the equipment
of a sterilized clamping tool, or are trained to use boiled scissors, string, and the use of some iodine
carefully applied to areas of the tied and cut cord,
can do this cosmetic removal. But being warned any cut in the child's skin, or needle inserted, all
brings additional risks of a virus entering the child's
blood stream. What would have been a blue ribbon baby, may now be the death of the child, all because
of cosmetic surgery. ONLY if the cord
happened to tear, and cannot be repaired, or the placenta should break, and cannot be repaired, ought
the obvious be done, a tourniquet of the cord with
every means to revive the child, if such rare occurrence of a torn or cut placenta, ever happened. Such
a situation would require a hearing of medical
malpractice in any rough handling of the cord, as may be suggested of active management directives,
that I have read, so far.
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CONSEQUENCES OF DRUGS AND EARLY UMBILICAL CORD CLAMPING:
It would be a perceived and logical consequence that after depriving the child
of up to 50 percent of total blood volume, leaving the mother drugged,
weak and then try to nurse an endangered child, if she can, she may not be successful. Many babies were
too weak to adequately nurse after early
clamping and to medicated drug reactions to morphines and to oxytocin and other gases, or spinals received. And, of the infants, even strong large
babies, do sometimes die, in any Nation. The duty is not to take unnecessary risk or follow questionable
policies, and protocols. The individual is doing
the voluntary carrying out of any protocol, and has the greater responsibility what they do in any one
situation. Most protocols, policies, bulletins, carry
somewhere in their instructions, a Disclaimer, the person providing the care has the duty of decisions
and most of these policies and customs, have not
required the duty of informed consent, and what that actually means. It means the decisions to
be prepared for and the risk of any drug or intent to
severe the child's circulation system, that traps the placenta blood in the placenta, engorging the
placenta, creating a risk to the mother, and risk of low
blood volume and pressure to the infant, the owner of the oxygenated blood in the placenta.
We must be concerned, that in our Western ways, our motives may also be concealed.
Our ways may not be an asset or helping the ignorant in
other lands. Are we doing to them any harm as our own medical providers may be doing to us but the developing
nations have the least resources to have
supplements and medical aid for their now weakened babies. Western Corporations did that to babies
in milk formulas too, rather than maintaining
breast-fed is best fed if the mother can be encouraged to nurse her child, we saw that the formulas
caused deaths of babies. Why? The formulas
required refrigeration and treated clean water. Millions babies died by our Western ways in providing
formulas requiring special care and knowledge in
use.
What is sacred today? Apparently it is not life or quality
of life allowed that could be there in proper preventive measures. What we are valuing
today are political profits to be taken by means of exploiting the uninformed and by concealment and
cover-up. This is prudent?!!! The word harvesting is
a medical term and it is being done by lack of proper ethics, the understanding of the criminal code,
which is not an excuse to the professional persons
as they had the best means to know their duties.
We are not seeing true prevention and ethical education of our medical persons,
from the ambulance medics, the 9-1-1 counselors to the surgeons.
What kind of society will we nurture if this does not stop, the robbing of babies of their nutrition
in the oxygenated blood?
This following quotation may be the prediction of our societies:
mental disorders of the youth, not able to survive, to learn, to have meaningful
goals or a normal life. This sample is an indication of one Canadian Province, that has in existence,
since the 1980's, stem cell collection banks. The
cord blood banks, mostly privately operated and by large corporations, have collected baby's blood by
methods of care of immediate cord clamped
babies. This is in Toronto, and believed to be a comparable study to national figures, and I venture
to say, will be found world wide, as the world goes
insane in harvesting our children of the future. This recent Toronto study stated:
"One in 10 teens is grappling with at least three mental-health issues,
a finding that highlights the need for prevention strategies that address a
wide range of problem behaviors," say the authors of the study.
"The youth themselves are reporting psychological distress, having worries, having trouble sleeping at night, said Dr. Joseph Beitchman of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto.
"In addition to psychological distress, the survey examined three other mental-health indicators -- drug use, excessive drinking and delinquent acts such as violence, theft and vandalism. (Toronto CP) published in the Peace River Block Daily News, Tuesday, May 4, 2004, page 6.
All babies can be protected. It was known in the 1980's by a study of T.
Peltonen that the premature babies born in c-section could be removed as a
sealed unit. Yes, the babies can remain on what I call a biological reciprocal sealed-unit. This is if the doctors were ethically and competently
trained and knew the merits of the placenta as to the differences of the fetal circulation system and
the neonate adult circulation. These circulation
systems are, apparently, not adequately taught the medical persons of today and the textbooks have false
or missing information. This is true or
misguided information on the fetus circulation transferring into the neonate, the lungs expanding needing
the placenta blood perfusion to carry on the
same work as did the placenta, in the exchange of gases, oxygen and carbon dioxide.
Why is such truthful facts known are missing in the textbooks used to inform the future parents. Why, also, are the biology teachers directing early umbilical cord clamping on "human" babies. This is when that is not logical to do to any placenta cord clamping on any birthing mammal's offspring, human or animal? Such truthful information to be taught the next group of medical persons, or even the parents-to-be, is missing. Truthful facts on the placenta blood and not to clamp the cord is also missing information in the controlled prenatal classes provided in courses of the Continuing Education. The Registered-Nurses that teach this class alleged they are not allowed to add or subtract from the curriculum and no guest speakers knowledgeable more on the subject then they are, may speak to the about-to-birth mothers. The prenatal classes are held very close to the mother's child's due date, that it becomes very upsetting for the mother to hear about the child may be damaged by an unnecessary medical procedure of tying off the pulsating umbilical cord.
Many bogus excuses that are alibis are given that if thought out, how can a
doctor know instantly if a child may have thick blood, too fast flowing
blood, too much blood in his/her decision to clamping off an otherwise pulsating cord, then excuse the
reason of doing revival of oxygenated blood with no
explanations of what happened to the placenta blood as was the situation of missing blood in the Chow-case-law,
Ontario, Canada. We simply to not
have the investigations and hearings as we ought to do on protocols of doctors and the alleged clinical
studies that become an imposed law of medical
care on another's baby. The duty of care and the expense totally then being the parents, unless
they can take the issue to court. The protocols are
designed to say the doctor followed, and I believe, blindly, a standard of care not qualifying his/her
reasons for immediate and early umbilical cord
clamping. I do not know a situation that was not improved for adequate blood volume, rather than
an anemic condition. The child needs his/her interferon
and white cells and oxygen. Low blood volume and pressure cut off by ICC is known to shrink the heart,
and would logically distress the
brain,
(
http://www.cordclamping.com/Lancet2003analysis.htm
)
It would be logical all organs are distressed by ICC.
A diagram that demonstrates the Fetus to Neonate Circulation system is available at: " http://www.lotusbirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-435.htm "
Placenta Photo: " http://www.lotusbirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-609.htm "
A film actually is available, that demonstrates the child's heart shrinking, to quote:
Dr. T. Peltonen's research was written up as Placenta Transfusion -Advantage and Disadvantage.
Euro. Journal of Pediatrics 1981; 137: 141-146
Peltonen made reference to this 1959 "
Clamping Before the First Breath
" a film and I was wondering if it is available or reproduced on
video and in
English?
To Quote the contents of the film:
" In the
Scandinavian congress of physiologists in 1959
we showed a film of the first breath (33). If the umbilical cord is tied prior to the
first breath, the result is a decrease in the size of the heart during the first three or four cardiac
cycles.
"Then the heart again increases in size, almost to that of the fetal heart.
This change should be interpreted as due to the filling of the opened
vascular system of the lungs in connection with aeration, which requires a considerable amount of blood.
If the umbilical circulation is closed, the
flow from the caudal caval vein through the via sinistra to the left heart will hardly suffice and for
a moment the left heart will not have enough blood
(33.34.46).
"Usually, however, the condition improves when adequate amounts of blood
flow through the lungs to the left atrium (47).
"On the basis of these observations, it would seem that the closing of
the umbilical circulation before the aeration of the lungs has taken place is a
highly unphysiological measure, which should thus be avoided .
"Although the "normal infant" survives without harm, under certain
unfavorable conditions the consequences may be fatal. This view is supported
by Landau's observation that the high incidence of IRDS in cesarean section infants was associated with
deprivation of placental transfusion due to
the usual technique of immediate cord clamping.
"In order to prevent this, the authors suspended the placenta above the
infant in 87 cases of cesarean section. IRDS was NOT observed in Any
Case (28). Moss et al. (36) also found an increased incidence of IRDS in premature infants whose cords
were clamped before the onset of
respiration.
"The intact umbilical circulation also forms a reserve if the aeration
of the lungs fails to begin normally. Born et al. (9) found in animal studies that
if the cord is ligated before respiration begins, profound asphyxia results and there is a great increase
in blood pressure partly due to asphyxia and
partly because the systemic circulation of the limbs is cut off from the low peripheral resistance of
the placenta.
"Working under similar experimental conditions with sheep, we found that
the placenta circulation functions as an extracorporeal oxygenator of
the blood, should the neonate become asphyxiated (20.47). the same observations was made by Boda and
Guinea pigs (8). Correspondingly, with
human beings we have found that in cesarean section the uterine circulation continues up to the separation
of the placenta (5.21). There is thus good
reason in cases of resuscitation to keep the umbilical circulation intact (22)."
(Sorry references, indicated, are not available in this quotation I have).
Regarding the biology textbooks and the chemistry textbooks regarding drugs
crossing the placenta and the risk of mercury used in vaccinations, we
must wonder if the chosen selections in the textbooks are controlled by the higher officials of our
government? This would be for whatever political motives
and profits they seek as tax revenue to the drug corporations that have an interest in their product
used in child birth.
Might we not expect the visual evidence of science and medicine to be known
by the chemistry and biology teachers and their committees? Many
persons, and including lay persons, like myself, with only titles of Mother and Grandmother, have posted
our concerns on the Internet. In my research I
have noted that most, if not all other major news medias, now controlled by giant corporations, have
promoted collecting of the baby's blood for stem
cells. None of these large news medias have thought the being injured and exploited babies were worth
the time of day to do an investigation. This was
even when information was supplied and quotations and past textbooks, films, and medical publications
were made available and expert testimonies.
These news medias are organized and silent, on this issue, and continue to be at the time of this writing.
The truth of the harm to the child, concealed, covered-up, pretending, to be
blind, we have ignored that which is visual. That which is visual is the
weight of the placenta and the amount of the blood collected by draining out the placenta, while
yet warm when left in the mother's birth canal, for such
draining. If that method of established research is adopted, it takes 7 minutes. However, if the placenta
is quickly and painfully birthed, engorged, the
placenta when cold, takes 20 minutes and the volume of blood may be less.
When the engorged placenta is not drained in the birth canal, the mother's well
being is endangered of the placenta leaking, or tearing apart, during its
expelling. This is a compounded fear, with the use of oxytocic drugs, these commonly known as Pitocin,
Syntocinon, Oxytocin, Toesen, and forms of
ergot,and other names, too. There is also concern that the placenta can be trapped in the womb
by the muscles contracting too soon, around an
engorged placenta, requiring an operation to remove it.
For the fear of the placenta blood mixing with the mother's, the mother then is encouraged to take RhoGam, which has dangers of its own, if accepted. If two different blood types mix, she may never carry another child full term or have healthy future children who do not have a blood disorder. Her future babies are endangered. Such are the details of overwhelming research now open to the public if they seek and search of the declining abilities of our medical persons to think standing on their feet.
NO MEDICAL PREVENTION:
There is no political prevention, today. There is no stopping the crimes on the person, during and after birth, but there is political profits to be made in the increasing costs of medical services in all fields. Many enjoy the spin-offs. Now, with the increased mental problems many can turn to serve in the psychiatric treatments.
Our schools will become a nightmare. Some say they are that already. Perhaps,
it is a good time to retire folks, if you have made your profits. We
can sit back and watch our society become a dog eat dog society, for profits.
Is this the kind of Canada or World we want to bring children into, a society
where the strong pick on the weak? Some day those weak and violated
will grow up to be 6 foot 250 pounds and be uncontrollable adults. They will fight back physically the
best they can survive. Its been said before, an ounce
of prevention is worth more then a pound of cure.
Thank you for a reply, at you earliest convenience.
Sincerely,
Donna Young
President
Natural Birth Education
Box 504
Dawson Creek, BC
V1G 4H4
Canada
Tel: 1-250-782-9223
email: dyoung@pris.ca
ORIGINALLY POSTED: Tuesday, August 3, 2004
